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2023.04.03 – Stream Notes

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  • Intro
    • How was your weekend?
    • I updated some stuff on my website, still have to catch up
    • Xfinity sucks: upload speed is about 9 mbps so I can stream or upload something, slowly
    • Anyone have a good resource for fiber network coverage?
  • Music
    • Pretzel Chill
  • Coding
    • Instead of having an expert chef give us dietary restriction related substitutions, let’s try having it offer taste substitutions and explain why they’re similar
    • As a baseline, we will also look at FlavorDB and compare the two of them
    • OpenAI Playground Settings:
      • Mode: Chat
      • Model: gpt-3.5-turbo
      • Temperature: 0.85
      • Maximum length: 1024
      • Top P: 1
      • Frequency Penalty: 0.3
      • Presence Penalty: 0.3
      • System: You are an experienced chef familiar with flavor compounds
        • Currently system is weak, may not be able to control strength via parameters set in playground
    • Prompt 1:
      • User: What tastes similar to rosemary? And what makes them similar?
      • Response: Some herbs that have a similar taste to rosemary are thyme, oregano, and sage. These herbs share a similar flavor profile with rosemary because they all contain a compound called pinene, which gives them a distinct piney, resinous flavor. Additionally, they all have a slightly bitter, pungent taste that pairs well with savory dishes. Their similarity in flavor makes them great substitutes for each other in recipes, and they can also be used together to create complex herbal blends.
      • FlavorDB: returned 207 entities
        • From chemical compounds, searching pinenes:
          • Alpha-Pinene: harsh, turpentine, minty, fresh, earthy, sweet, woody, terpene, pine, camphor
          • Alpha-Terpinene: lemon, citrus, terpene, medicinal, herbal, woody, bitter, camphoraceous
          • Beta-Pinene: resinous, resin, turpentine, green, hay, woody, pine, dry
          • Gamma-Terpinene: lemon, gasoline, tropical, terpene, turpentine, herbal, woody, bitter, oily, lime
          • Terpinen-4-Ol: must, pepper, turpentine, musty, woody, sweet, nutmeg, earth
        • From Ingredients sharing most number of flavor molecules:
          • Ginger, 159
          • Oregano, 156
          • Basil, 155,
          • Spearmint, 154
          • Pepper, 154
          • Laurel, 149
          • Marjoram, 148
          • Sage, 141
          • Nutmeg, 141
          • Dill, 140
          • Orange, 139
          • Thyme is number 12 with 139
        • Given this, how close was GPT3.5 compared to FlavorDB?
          • The three recommended similarities are in the top 12 for similar based on number of chemical compounds
        • Would like something that shows flavor/threshold so that this would more objectively compare different ingredients based on the chemical compound "concentration"
      • Wanted to also look at more ingredients, so asked for 10 instead
        • Prompt: Name 10 things that taste similar to rosemary and why
        • Response:

          • While there are many herbs and spices that share a similar flavor profile with rosemary, I will mention 10:

            1. Thyme: Thyme has a slightly more subtle flavor than rosemary but still contains a strong piney and earthy undertone that makes it an excellent substitute.
            2. Oregano: Oregano has a similar bitter and slightly pungent taste to rosemary, which makes it ideal for use in Mediterranean dishes.
            3. Sage: Sage has a distinct earthy flavor like rosemary, making it an excellent substitution for savory dishes like roasted meats.
            4. Bay leaves: Like rosemary, bay leaves have an earthy and slightly bitter taste that can add depth to soups, stews, and braises.
            5. Savory: Savory is another herb that shares some of the same piney notes as rosemary, making it a great choice for meat dishes.
            6. Marjoram: Marjoram has a similar pine-like flavor to rosemary, but it’s more subtle and sweeter.
            7. Tarragon: Although tarragon has an anise-like flavor and aroma, it still shares some of the same herbal notes as rosemary, which makes it a good substitute in many recipes.
            8. Fennel seeds: Fennel seeds have a licorice-like flavor but also contain some of the same earthy notes as rosemary, which makes them useful in certain dishes.
            9. Juniper berries: Juniper berries have a fruity yet piney flavor profile that can help replicate the unique taste of rosemary in certain recipes.
            10. Caraway seeds: Caraway seeds have an earthy flavor with sweet undertones that can complement the flavors typically paired with rosemary.

          • Overall, these herbs and spices share similarities with rosemary depending on their respective flavor profiles and chemical compounds.

    • Trying to find FlavorDB2 because that is supposed to have taste threshold values, but the paper writers seem to not have it working
    • Group’s website
  • From Chat/Derail
  • We raided #Aria_ADM
  • TODO contact research group about V2 of FlavorDB

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